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I'm curious as to know what all (or both) our views on variety of the subjects raised in the Truth In Lies role-plays.

While it may be silly to say that I agree with everything Icke believes, I see him as a misguided person who feels it's his duty to spread the word on the 'agenda', who he and others call 'the illuminati' (ooahh, how scary.) emoticon

The Agenda is something which does enslave us, and is pushed by the elite to sway opinions and keeps us from not questioning authority. History repeats itself over and over and this is just what we're stuck with at this moment in time. I'm sure the Romans must've had it worse anyway. The dominant and more powerful ones will have control. They will use tools to engage us, so they can exploit us. David Icke does this too though (what a hypocrite), selling us a fantasy of Reptillians from the forth dimensions who quell on our fears. It is through fear that people by his books, how ironic. It is our own duty to question what is happening in this world with independent thought. Should we believe what Icke or Bush tell us what is 'really' happening? No. Question everything, but stay sane. Insanity was Icke's downfall. He and his new-age crap, metaphysical realities and 4th dimensional reptillians have fucked him up and needing a straight jacket. He !@#$ other people up in the process. His charisma is just criminal, and it makes people believe what he believes. He's a very dangerous man. Thankfully many of the people who he has exploited with reptoid mumbo-jumbo have realised just that, it's mumbo-jumbo crap. Just go to the [sign in to see URL] and you'll see that most of them don't actually like him anymore, with posts like "Is Icke a !@#$?" and "Icke is going crazy" ;>

The agenda is just people wanting to make money. Simple as. Oil? Yup. Commercialism? Yup. Materialism? Yup. Emo? Yup, that too. ETC..

The problem with this agenda is that it’s corrupt and if they want something they’ll have it, and don’t mind hurting people in the process. Oil in the middle-east, hundreds of thousands dead. That’s an example.

In many ways Icke is a lot Mr. L ron Hubbard, who sold a religion to Vulnerables to make money and have power. I once read a quote of his which went something like this "The only way to make people think their free is if you sell it to them."

Carpenter had it right though, so if you’re gonna think about this sort of stuff just watch They Live. It’s fiction, with metaphor relating to our times. emoticon
 
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A climate of fear is useful in politics. I could imagine Icke taking his meds, returning to mainstream politics, and seemlessly blathering any sort of rhetoric to a willing voter base.

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There's a secret in America. Let me tell you what this secret is: We want cheap gasoline. We seem to want this no matter the cost. For many people, the prospect of lower gasoline prices justified the Iraq War. This disturbing greed is ignored in America, for it effects EVERYONE so there's no one left to expose this.

HOWEVER even as gasoline prices are held down, we manage to vaguely criticize oil corruption within our government. But greed touches these charges, as well. We actually hate that the Bush family makes money through oil deals because it simply adds to the cost of our gasoline, not because it creates a serious conflict of interest in regards to middle-east policy.

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They Live was a great film, but it's cartoonish. You see EVERYONE helps the agenda. We don't change into an alien form or sign some kind of contract when we contribute. We aren't given wealth beyond our wildest dreams. We don't get "a taste of the good life". Chances are, every time we acquire something, we help the bad guys. Even sustaining the basic necessities for life contributes to the agenda. Our electric, water, heating oil, pay TV, cell phone and any other utility are provided-for-a-nominal-fee by organizations that hire lobbyists who go to Washington to help shape legislation. The orgs also pay for advertising, which helps to shape the media.

AND the aliens aren't aliens. At least, I don't think so. Those that are in control of the agenda are people with power/money. They look like normal people, for the most part. In fact, I've shook hands with several politicians and amazingly, they are human. They have families, and these people are well-known in their respective communities.

But They Live certainly provides food-for-thought and it's lack of subtle-ty keeps the message clear.

Arguably, the Romans had it easy. It was always clear that the emperor was corrupt. His only benevolent actions were squarely aimed at discouraging assassination attempts, but often corruption was so pervasive that the emperor's own family would wield the knife against him. Imperial grain would be distributed to the populace after some official injustice, and the citizens would greedily accept the gift of food as proper payment for some indefensible attrocity that had been levied upon them. There was also an official class system which rendered many Romans into underclasses that lacked not only a voice in government, but basic human rights. That being said, public opinion was not unimportant in the days of Rome, but public opinion was usually the expression of starved but greedy citizenry.

I need to go think happy thoughts now.

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Wow, you have to read this, but beware it makes for frightening reading.

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Hawks like former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle ridicule the softly-softly approach. He says of Jack Straw and other Euro diplomats: "They'll still be talking when the Iranians detonate their first bomb. I'd rather not take the risk."




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It's a worst case scenario of what could happen if Israel attacks Iran over nuclear weapons in 2008. Bassicaly a nuclear world war. And get this- because Iran supplies most of the oil for China, they would be allies with each other. HOLY SH*T! China HAS nuclear weapons btw, so if there is a war where China are at war with the USA, a lot of people will be fu**ed.

i'm curious which part of the US are you from, which state?

Best not to dwell on it really though, it is a 'scenario' after all and doesn't mean it'll happen. Let's have a little faith in the good politicians who can avert this sh*t.

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I'm in the state of South Carolina-it's only claim to fame is the tourist destination known as Myrtle Beach.

Thankfully, the article glazes over several selfish national interests, and stupidly ignores Taiwan and North Korea which, while changing the dynamic of the situation with China, will not improve the [sign in to see URL] the US, Eu and Israel. Before Israeli aircraft travel to Iran, someone will attempt to murder Ahminejad. This also doesn't factor in events like the not-yet-week-old assassination SNAFU(in Pakistan?) that will inspire several generation of Jyhadists to seek western blood.

WHY IS GERMANY "SUSPECTED" TO HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? Anyone care to look into this? Not that I don't trust Germany, but it's best to know these things ahead of time, right?

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Yep, okay. Did a wikipedia search on South Carolina and for what seems like such a large state there wasn't much on the page of much interest to me. Part from that it was one of the states that rose up against the English (you bastards!), Shelton Benjimen some wrestler comes from there (ooohhh big up) and its quite a religious area. Is this a place where people fear the wrath of god? Where evangelism is favoured over tradition? It also seems very white, I mean white, maybe too white for what seems like such a sunny, ‘southern’ state. Am I wrong there, is it cold all year? Your senator Lindsey somebody, also looks like some sex offender. emoticon
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Before Israeli aircraft travel to Iran, someone will attempt to murder Ahminejad. This also doesn't factor in events like the not-yet-week-old assassination SNAFU(in Pakistan?) that will inspire several generation of Jyhadists to seek western blood.




Assasinate Ahmadinejad? You can either say yes or no to that, I pick no. The vicious cycle cannot be broken by murder. This man is new anyway, extreme certainly but at least give him a chance. Diplomacy is the only way at this difficult time. If he's killed off, America and Israel will immediately be blamed so what's the point. Again, all we’d be helping is the Jihad extremists.
Oh btw, if I’m wrong when the WW3 starts and it turns we should have knocked off Ahmadinejad you can kick my arse. Oh no, wait a sec, we’ll all be dead anyway. I hope I survive though; it’ll be like Mad Max, that’d be cool. I can play Max and if you survive too you can be either that weird guy with the cheap helicopter or Tina Turner’s character from MM3. I just hope there are no homosexuals on motorbikes who’ll want to have their way with us both. Scary. There’s a future role-play in all this. Wasn’t the guy who played Sloth in the goonies in MM3?
 
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THIS MESSAGE SPONSORED BY: In a post-apocalyptic world, Alex is low on fuel. "I can't go any farther without fuel." Mike has a helicopter. "Get on board, mate." Saddam Hussein and Osama are growing sunflowers. "You've got to stop them Alex." David Finger and Guy Bichie present Mad Alex. Now on with the feature presentation....

What a vicious attack on my state! It's no wonder that we rebelled against the yoke of English rule! AND the honor of Lindsay Graham has been besmirched!

Steven Colbert, Shelton Benjamin(ooooh), Joe Frasier(still ducking me), Andie Mcdowell, and last but certainly not least, the Godfather Of Soul, James Brown(don't care what Wikipedia says, I know which city he lives in). Wow, that is a lot of celebrity for one state. Unless it's New York, then that's an embarassingly low amount of celebrities.

My town is actually the birthplace of Dizzie Gillespie. He once got upset because the government named the local ghetto after him.

I had no idea that the state is SOOOOO white, but then again, why should I be aware of this whilst confined to my all-white neighborhood? Whites are, ironically, a minority in my neighborhood.

The weather here is describe as hot/mild. Summer temperatures rise to 100-105(Fahrenheit), with "heat advisories" issued because of the usually oppressive humidity. Winter temperatures drop to 20 F and snow is very rare. It's a bit cold right now. I love it, as opposed to the summer.

About Ahminejad: I don't agree with assassinations, either, but it seems to be something that my government likes to do. Then there is Israel's Moooozzadd, which also doesn't seem opposed to killing in the name. Doesn't Ahminejad look a bit like Bush? What the hell?

And now, another film presented by Wall Dismay Pictures: Society has been destroyed. All your base is belong to us. They only wanted a holiday. They only wanted to ride their motorcycles. They were having a good time. With themselves. Until Alex and Mike came along and ruined the day. The Day Of The Pink Groundhog. Starring Lindsay Graham as the Duke Of Uranus. Coming soon. Lock up your sons.

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Thanks to recent news, that Daily Mirror article has really stuck in my mind. I acknowledge that the article could happen, but I don't think it's likely. In fact, now I'm worried about Germany. What if they stop answering the phones? How come the inspectors haven't paid them a visit?

BTW-not meeting the ethnic requirements to be a British National Socialist? Blood not green enough or what?

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I doubt there'll be a nucleur war anytime soon, meaning in the next two years, but time is time and eventually it will happen. Peace will never work, wars will aways happen and evil people will always be around. All it takes is one mad man, the press of a red button and we'll all be f*cked. That'll hopefully be after we're both dead anyway, say 50 years. And to save our children we must be nucleur bunkers! They must survive and be rulers of the empty post-apocolyptic world! They will inter-breed and create a serpent race. Two thousand years later, mad conspiracy theorists will tell of the evil inter-breeding bloodline that arose from the ashes and went onto enslave mankind. The god of the future is Alex, and the Satan is Mike.
Egads; I know what it means now by the way.

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Anyway, egads, [sign in to see URL] some links for you but be rational and don't loopy because the main link is for a conspiracy theory video called Loose Change. It's about 9/11 as if you didn't guess already. Anyway, check it and be open minded. Very interesting stuff which raises difficult questions.
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It's very odd, that 911 documentary and it's out of place Pentagon footage. It's unfortunate for the filmmakers that I actually watched three seperate newschannels on the MORNING of September 11. Each newschannel(CBS, CNN, and FOX) had a different camera trained on the building. Maybe the filmmakers should have watched, too, because I saw the tailsection of A COMMERCIAL JET very clearly, and a large section of wall that was leaning. The doc looks fine until you see the aerial shot, taken by whom I ask, when all air traffic was cancelled for the day. Their footage is taken AFTER the plane was removed(they mentioned that stuff was being taken away). I note that the leaning wall was not present in their footage either, in it's place was a gaping hole. These guys should screen their footage more closely.

It also quite funny that the doc almost playes the "Hughes" card. Unfortunately, Hughes died long ago and his company was sold, therefore the information is irrelevant. Although, to mention Hughes in this story is like adding "it was very stormy out" to the classic opening phrase "it was dark when we reached the haunted house".

Let us also kill the myth that no one was allowed to speak out. In early November 2001, Senator Tom Daschle stated in a press conference that George Bush was Adolf Hitler. I think what these people mean is, not that people weren't allowed to speak out, but that they sounded like f*cking lunatics. The most famous of those "silenced voices" is Tim Robbins who addressed a press convention saying "across this country, a cold wind blows". He was wrong. It simply took them a little extra time to spin 911 in their favor opposite Bush.

Another myth must die. Before 911, Rumsfeld had publicly discussed the case to go to war with Iraq. Apparently, Bill Clinton could declare war on Iraq, but Bush can't. I actually read this in a newspaper in the lobby of a Veteran's Hospital. I revelled in the symbolism. The old veterans were actually talking about beating up on Iraq. Most of them liked the idea. Of course, there had been no talk of WMDs, and that changed everything for some folks.

Furthermore, I will agree that we have been lied to(perhaps not so much about 911). We have been lied to by everyone. Oil in Alaska on government property that Democrats say we can't use because it would destroy miles and miles of nothing, while they suggest that we have invaded foreign countries for oil. The Bush administration doesn't care about the blacks in Lousiana acccording to an R&B star and the local government, whom issues these statements from a more pleasant location hundreds of miles from their municipalities where dozens of public busses sit abandoned and constituents starve to death. Bush seems to agree with his usual opposition on the issue of immigration: they won't do anything to secure the Mexican border.

Isn't politics terrible? Let's start a new post for only politics in the JUST TALK section. There we can discuss more pleasant topics like doomsday and abortion.

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