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Honest and frank, balanced look at the things we've been talking about recently. Must see. best doc I've seen in ages.

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To a point the film actually looks mainstream, but the facts, [sign in to see URL] quite. I say that many things in the film are quite right, but not everything. I mean, it's just a plain anti-war film without Michael Moore's voice-over. Don't misunderstand me; the voice-over kills any Moore film. At least in Why We Fight, we get things explained by real folks. There's an even a REAL conservative in the bunch, and John McCain.

I find it heart-warming that a few folks in Tehran lit candles on 9/11, and, not making light of that fact, I acknowledge that American opinion against Iran is not terrible. We are content to "negotiate" with them, because, as EVERYONE has forgotten, we cannot fight the entire world(all at once). I also notice that roughly 4 percent of the US military sits across the border from Iran. To threaten military action might be redundant, no?

However, you shouldn't have to search very long to find video of 9/11 celebrations. A group of Palestinians were so overjoyed that they waved their guns in the air. We haven't gotten them, yet, but many of us understand the situation, as distasteful as it seems.

Seriously, this guy completely missed the fact that, after 1993, the Pentagon had been trying to acquire equipment specifically for use against Iraq, because it was thought that we'd one day finish that war. Bill Clinton almost did just that, but relented. Was he part of the Bush regime? No, but he was part of a regime. By the 1990's all of America began to see Saddam as an evil person, not just "our guy against Iran". That's not exactly a conspiracy, is it?

And one more thing about these films: why is it surprising that someone that works in the Defense Department would later join a private defense contracting company? OR: a security company employing former FBI agents or retired police officers? Other than scientists and business majors, who do we believe works in these companies? Yes indeed, this COULD open the door to corruption, or at least an improper familiarity between the government and corporations.

That perceived impropreity was the point of the film Who Killed John Oneil, in which a security company is thought to destroy it's own offices in the World Trade Center using a group of suicide bombers(who without religion have no conceivable motive to be a suicide bomber, though one's religion is questioned in the film). I mean, where's the evidence?

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[sign in to see URL]'t everyone anti-war? No one person really wants war for what it brings in terms of misery, dispair and death. I thought this was an interesting film, because it's unlike the others I've posted and does explain why these things happen. Why do things happen? War etc.
This doc pretty much explained it all, well for me anyway. War is business. These aren't wars against ideology but for resource. Money, contracts, oil etc. You get the point. This doc pretty much explained it. Maybe Iran poses a threat, but we only know what we're being told. There's a lot more to these wars than just mad fanatics.
One of the most revealing bits to this doc I found was Dan Rathers comments, which basically told how the news is being controlled today.
Michael 'the turd' Moore, this is not. Sorry, but I disagree.
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Have you seen the film 'Network' btw?

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Haven't seen Network but I intend to. I've heard quite a bit about it lately.

Where Why We Fight brought deepest offense to me was how it looked like a straight film, but then wasn't. The film attempts to characterize Iran as sympathetic with the Americans in regard to 9/11. Terrible was the retelling of World War II(I plan to research what the film stated, because I felt very angry about it). Simply awful was the "man on the street" style of asking REAL people why wars are fought. If the filmmaker thinks the matter is complex enough to make an ENTIRE FILM about the subject, why does he seem to want only a cute soundbite from these average people? In a Michael Moore film, that would be the least of his offenses, but in this film it seems truly evil.

About the business side: yes, it's important and has probably been what has drove all of our wars. But to say there's no other motive to fight, ignores a great many other things.

You've to got to note the realities of the Cold War. First, there was no war. We, as in average folks, looked ahead to being prepared if things turned. In truth, after the 1960's no one expected a war. Still, we were promised "Star Wars defense platforms" and other such nonsense. Average people felt good about that, because it represented preparedness and new technology. Good and wonderful, all that.

The right wing relished Dan Rather's early retirement from the CBS Evening News, and the facts.... Dan Rather didn't produce the facts to help his case, did he? It was stated that he was secretly some sort of left wing equivalent of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'reilly, trying to shape political agenda with hand-picked news stories. I guess everyone works towards some kind of agenda.....

But more about Iran: the public doesn't care about war with Iran, so the gruff diplomacy of the Bush Administration continues. Public opinion could turn, though unlikely now. Iran would have to do something extremely stupid, or at least appear to. Considering Ahmadinejad(sp?), it seems to be a matter of time before another adventure begins. I actually don't expect there to be a War With Iran, because we're already getting our war fix in Iraq.

As it relates to the future, we're now poised to reshape ideologies in America. We must, because America is too divided. I can no longer imagine a politician being elected with more than 50 percent of total votes. We've seen straight-laced presentation fail. We've also seen bombastic reformers get crushed. For the life of me, I can't recall George W. Bush stating any sort of policy before being elected president. Yet, people liked him much more than Al Gore, though not in my voting district(Gore supporters could never comprehend that the candidate brought baggage with him; they had completely forgotten Bill Clinton's sagging pole numbers). Perhaps everyone should wise-up and nominate candidates that portray a clear idealogy, not an actor's sense of conveying agenda via stage presence. One day we might see Pat Buchanan or Newt Gingrich take the debate podium against Reverend Al Sharpton-now that's a debate.

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I have two problems with regards to two things you've mentioned. Firstly, it's widely known that the footage of the palestinians dancing in the street on 9/11- footage I remember seeing on the day- was stock footage. It was planted. Honestly, this is the truth. There was other footage which was real, such as palestinians watching the burning towers on TV, but that footage you saw WAS planted.
Secondly, wasn't the whole world behind America when 9/11 happened feeling the hurt and pain. Iran was no different. People all over the world held candlelight rituals and marched against terror, yet its what's happened since that pisses the rest of the world off today- war inperialism and outright fascism. Would you agree that the neo-cons exploited the events 9/11?
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Every [sign in to see URL] didn't Osama say the same thing?

I've got to research the Palestinian celebration footage now dammit......

Now, I must say that yes, the Neocons exploited 9/11. A lot. But the only way to do anything about it is to first define the problem. The documentaries aren't doing that because they look in all the wrong places. They seek a magic bullet, that if fired while lower the veils from our eyes. After almost 250 years, isn't it obvious that dethroning one politician will change neither policy nor the power structure? Killing Caesar doesn't change Rome; it merely brings another Caesar. Could we consider that Bin Laden may not have been an agent of George Bush(you know how Americans feel about that idea), but rather someone who looked at America and didn't like what he was seeing?

British Moderate Conservative: see also Hilary Clinton.

As it relates to pure policy, I'm probably a liberal while leaning towards libertarian. But that doesn't mean I tolerate a blatant attack on good ole American hot dogs. That picture is hate speech and cannot be tolerated in a free society. I will never forget. Otherwise, what we will do with all the leftover horse and dog meat?

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Every [sign in to see URL] didn't Osama say the same thing?

I've got to research the Palestinian celebration footage now dammit......

Now, I must say that yes, the Neocons exploited 9/11. A lot. But the only way to do anything about it is to first define the problem. The documentaries aren't doing that because they look in all the wrong places. They seek a magic bullet, that if fired while lower the veils from our eyes. After almost 250 years, isn't it obvious that dethroning one politician will change neither policy nor the power structure? Killing Caesar doesn't change Rome; it merely brings another Caesar. Could we consider that Bin Laden may not have been an agent of George Bush(you know how Americans feel about that idea), but rather someone who looked at America and didn't like what he was seeing?

British Moderate Conservative: see also Hilary Clinton.

As it relates to pure policy, I'm probably a liberal while leaning towards libertarian. But that doesn't mean I tolerate a blatant attack on good ole American hot dogs. That picture is hate speech and cannot be tolerated in a free society. I will never forget. Otherwise, what we will do with all the leftover horse and dog meat?



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Some f11cker leaked this to the press. That bastard.

But seriously, the neo-conservative movement isn't your average conservatism but more fascism.
The one thing that fuels conspiracy is the whole PNAC manifesto written in September 2000, where it states the need for a "New pearl harbour" and this is why I'm slightly suspicious of the story sold to the people. As well as this there's war games played out on 9/11 which left America open to attack and WTC7, which looked like a controlled demolition. Are these coincidences? Or not? Personally, I'll be rational, these things are too big to dismiss as theory but I may be loopy too. I'm not a mad conspiracy idiot who trawls the web every day like some of these fools, but find some parts of the official story too difficult to believe. As Goebbels said, "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."
     
History, will tell us whether we're right or wrong. What will the history books they say about this time in 50 years+?

The problem with western democracy at the moment is that we fear to question whatever nonsense these liars, our elected politicians and presidents spew. Yes, there are terrorists but rather than tackle the problem these guys have only made things worse, escalating the horror in Iraq and accross the middle-east.

These idiots called Dr David Kelly, a Walter Mitty type character but it's rather those that said that, that are more like Walter Mitty, living in their dream worlds. They thought they could go in, attack Iraq, declare freedom and it would all be over, however 3 years on, Iraq could be the thing that brings America its knees. As well as all this, you have countries such as Russia and Iran going from trading Oil and other natural resources from dollars to euros. Your country doesn't need that, your already trillions of dollars in debt. Compare that to the UK, where I believe we're only indebted in the billions. Think about it, it'll drive inflation up and you'll have some kind of second great depression and worse. The last great depression helped in turn bring the nazi's to power. Look that one up btw, it's true.

You American people need to take back what's yours from these power crazed fools, that's all I'm saying.

I'll leave on saying this, at least people have voice. But actions always speak louder than words.

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God bless the two brave soldiers killed by those bastards btw. That made me feel terrible. One reason alone to stay in Iraq.


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Yeah, too bad about those guys, but don't be like everyone else in forgetting that those men were professionals.

Obviously, many people felt that Iraq would be done away with quickly simply because of how nicely the Gulf War unfolded. The most unfortunate thing is that there were people who suspected an "insurgency" in Iraq. As the war began, someone said that in TEN YEARS acts of terror within in Iraq would fall to levels comparable to the(2003) levels of violence between Palestine and Israel. So is it possible that more people(or more important people) suspected the "insurgency"? I'd like to see if that is mentioned in a documentary. There are probably offical documents that mention it, and still unfortunate, said documents are likely deemed confidential in the interest of National Security. So 50 years from now the documents will have been declared "unsealed", so someone is gonna be remembered as a son of a b1tch.

At this point, the only hope is the primaries leading up to the 2008 Presidential election. Both parties will be out there, each with a handful of candidates. Usually, some of those candidates realize that they have no chance of surviving the primaries, and then they say very interesting things. I expect several Republican governors, Rudy Guiliani, and John McCain to vie for the role of Top Neocon, but still, there are real right wing politicians out there. At least one of them will acknowledge that our first obligations lie at home(actually I've heard this already-I'm just hoping to hear it as part of a campaign platform). If that is said publicly it will be a nail in the coffin of Iraq War fever.

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Take a look at [sign in to see URL]'d like to know what you believe afterwards....

Alex Jones' New conspiracy doc 'Terrorstorm', exploring goverment sponsored terrorism and alleged goverment sponsored terrorism according to Mr Jones and his 'evidence'
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Just so you know, there's barely any mention of 9/11 (thank god) and none of Mr Jones' religious rants, although he does go on to rant a bit. Look out for his stop at the bush supporters retreat.

Is the evidence against the official story purely coincidental, or not? This will make you ponder. Interesting truths or not. Be rational and don't go bonkers like Icke and his punchbowl.



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