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Did you see that crap 'new' pentagon footage on the news?


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Do they think people are stupid? That's the same footage from a few years ago, but what's weird is that it's being branded "new and unseen". Now I know there must be something fishy about 9/11 for sure. I'm not a full blown conspiracy theorist at all but this "new and unseen" is bullsh1t. There are different angles of the crash they confiscated on the day so why'd they re-released the same, or at worst, 'edited' footage. This whole thing stinks.
Please [sign in to see URL] they wanted to dispell any conspiracy theories about what happened at the pentagon they'd show a better angle and clearer footage. At least so people can actually see a plane.
For me this is like building 7, you can't be sure what you seeing. Is it, or is it not? What's happening? I feel people need to question this kind of stuff.

Any thoughts on this?

I'm gonna use this stuff TIL4 BTW, I find it quite hilarious as well as frightening.

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Well, I still recall the live footage that was broadcast within two hours of the crash. Like when I saw the tailsection of the plane. On nationwide television. Then someone made a movie that stated the plane wasn't there. And it doesn't make me ask questions because I saw it before it was removed. Actually, I think the outer wall that was leaning over it fell on the plane and then the whole mess was taken away to a VERY SECRET PLACE. I also noted the presence of an ambulance and several military vehicles very close to the plane. Also, I noted that the tailsection was friggin' HUGE, not in line with the Small Plane Theory that someone put forth.

Trust me on this: there weren't scores of cameras rolling(certainly no news cameras) as the plane hit the [sign in to see URL] it was unexpected. What I saw recently(it was billed by the newschannel as NEW FOOTAGE OF THE PLANE CRASH!) was security camera footage of the crash, which, yes, could be doctored, but would rightly be the only footage of the crash. It was a crummy series of still images, not the NEW FOOTAGE that the newsmen promised, but that mistake is on the newsmen.

They don't want to dispel rumors because they don't care. The rumors exist only on the fringe. Don't take this the wrong way, Alex, but there aren't many folks in America questioning this. A lot of people stopped what they were doing on 9/11 and looked for some source of news to find out if we would all be killed or whatever. Then there were some film students that were busy with their daily grinds while 9/11 happened; they proceeded to make movies that ask questions that they should've been able to answer. Their theories, however inaccurate, will gain traction as 9/11 becomes foggier in the memories of people across the world.

What we need is the news footage that was broadcast before 11 AM on 9/11 that showed the leaning wall and the plane. I wonder where that is? That would answer many questions. If I find it, I'll let you know. I hear that the Department of Defense wanted to take all of the footage of the Pentagon crash, but it was ultimately the Department of Justice that acquired the footage. The footage was held until recently because of the "20th Hijacker Trial". Much of it was actually used as evidence against that poor bastard.

Would you believe that I recorded several hours of the news coverage on the morning of 9/11, but misplaced the tape? If [sign in to see URL] I could make a [sign in to see URL] would present all of the theories and then present different sides on each.

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I've actually turned my back on this conspiracy nonsense now. I guess it spurs paranoia which is never healthy. Yes, there are inconsistancies, however would a government really attack its own people? If there is a conspiracy, it was one of silence - the fact that people knew of a coming threat but simply did nothing.

Yeah, I'm a fringe-nut. I was just pissed that this new video didn't actually show anything. A different angle would have been nice. emoticon

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You see, that was pentagon footage, from a pentagon camera. Wait until the news footage of the near aftermath(only like five minutes later!) surfaces. You will see a big [sign in to see URL] then they cart it away because of some kind of security protocol or something.

My last thought on that: people believe Bush and Co. to be vastly [sign in to see URL] they're up to evil, in which case they are very able. Interesting. No matter what side of the debate we're on, or if the debate doesn't actually exist, the point is that MOST OF US DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE.

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No matter what side of the debate we're on, or if the debate doesn't actually exist, the point is that MOST OF US DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE.



Thank goodness for that. I applaud you, Michael. I don't like America as it is, as your government has been hijacked by a currupt elite, but respect the American people all the way during these awkward times.
I found it laughable when the kerry and Bush fought for the 2004 elections in your land of the free, one where we're told anyone out 300m plus people can become president if they further themselves that far. The [sign in to see URL] they're both distant cousins. What a joke! As much as I think these conpiracy theories are spread about by some of the most loony people (Icke, shriner etc) who inhabit this planet there is some truth, facts that indicate how our world is being controlled by an elite, as it always has been from one civilization to another. I ask you not to ignore that fact.
While you may think that these 9/11 conspiracy theories are stupid, within them there is truth. I'm on about facts, my friend. If you look deep enough, open your mind you'll see. I'll agree, maybe I shouldn't have gave you that link to that loose change film, because it's since been heavily debunked.
However, I will give you a link to a film which I urge you to see. And when I say film I mean film, it's more an examination of these 9/11 truth people. Part film, part documentary, part examination of the people behind the so-called 9/11 truth movement. It's hilarious, informative and shocking. But the ending is most interesting, as this guy asks himself what can 'he' do to stop the people he believes are behind 9/11. Watch it from beginning to end. Oh and look out for the character based on the guy from JFK movie. here's a link ...
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Just do me a favour, once the video is finished, Learn from it. That question, what can I do raised near the end is most interesting.
In thinking about this video I have come to my own conclusion. Business before ethics, stability or instability - sacrifice and survival! If your government had a hand in 9/11, or simply allowed it to happen it's for that reason - survival! Somethings aren't nice and can't be stopped. 9/11 was a pre-text for what's happening today. Whether we like it or not, another attack is probably on the way too and then it'll be the reason for a war in Iran or Syria. And what for? Survival.

Best thing we can do is carry on, just leave this truth stuff to the charlie sheen types who worry about all day. However, in having this knowledge if will, it should make you look at the way the news is reported and be able to desipher (sp?) the bullshit from the truth.


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An interesting film to be sure. It manages to raise some questions, and, still, it condemns a number of people without explanation. The facts before seeing the film are simple: US foreign policy is insane. Government officials have acted illegally for the benefit of corporations, and not in the interest of the common good.

It is also interesting that the filmmaker states that President Jimmy Carter created Islamic Fundamentalism with a single phone call. This was around the time that a group of Americans were so famously held captive by Iranians(fundamentalists?). After Munich. Still, it was Americans that helped Bin Laden along his away all those years ago. I pretty much agree with Michael Moore that training the terrorists was a stupid thing to do.

Overall, this film is much better than Loose Change, and far less partisan than Fahrenheit 911.

We need Emilio Estevez and Lou Diamond Phillips to take up the cause, too.

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We need Emilio Estevez and Lou Diamond Phillips to take up the cause, too.



 emoticon The guy from La Bamba. LOL yeah, that'd be good. Emilio's cool though, can't wait for his new film bobby.

Oh, and this...
Yeah, the elitists i was on about- they go to a secret meeting each year- Alex Jones, that fanatical shouty guy went crazy outside the hotel where they were all staying just days ago. quite funny, I bet they were laughing at him, although he does have a good point on some things ...
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YES! For far too long has the Queen of the Netherlands waged war on the free world!

You've got to pay close attention to what Jones says, his rhetoric. "We're free, we're free"-but from what? He plays it very generic, and includes religion. He uses some of the very language that George Bush has been so often condemned for. A very dangerous fellow.

He reminds me of the former owner of the pro wrestling organization ECW, Paul Heyman.

I would also like to hear someone explain the new conspiracist term "New World Order". Really. I mean the closest thing to this NWO in the real world is a loose unlawful association between various corporate folks and government officials. History teaches that corrupt politicians are not always loyal to their masters, as their MANY companies/people looking to push an agenda. Howard Hughes paid both political parties a lot of money, but in the end he got screwed because he wasn't the only guy with money.

And take a look at America right now. Things have become so divided that people are nearly outraged on a number of issues and politicians are literally squirming to hold the line. Immigration(as in illegal immigration via the southern border) has finally became a massive issue, though people have been concerned about it for decades. It's really fun to watch the politicians now.

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